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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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josefk wrote:
Rather than just repeat like a mantra that Corbyn is unelectable can someone point a by-election or mayoral election that Labour has lost since he became elected leader?

I'd take it further than that Josef, I'd actually argue that in the EU referendum he managed to - at the very least - retain his appeal to his natural followers... whereas others.... Alan Johnson, Miliband, Brown, Osbourne, Cameron actually lost support from theirs...!

But I don't think he could win a general election simply because he will be demonised & marginalised - not least by factions within his own party - to too great a degree before any issues of policy are even mentioned.


He wouldn't win a general election because only a tiny minority of the population want to live under his brand of socialism. Most sane people know that he would completely wreck UK PLC.



The only people that will vote for him are students, bums, anarchists and life's failures who want other peoples hard earned for nothing. He really is the man of the scrounger. 'Labour', as a word, indicates work. He should change the name of his party. The benefits party would be most appropriate.


So I'm one of life's failures now. Fair enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

josefk wrote:
Ian wrote:
thad wrote:
josefk wrote:
Rather than just repeat like a mantra that Corbyn is unelectable can someone point a by-election or mayoral election that Labour has lost since he became elected leader?

I'd take it further than that Josef, I'd actually argue that in the EU referendum he managed to - at the very least - retain his appeal to his natural followers... whereas others.... Alan Johnson, Miliband, Brown, Osbourne, Cameron actually lost support from theirs...!

But I don't think he could win a general election simply because he will be demonised & marginalised - not least by factions within his own party - to too great a degree before any issues of policy are even mentioned.


He wouldn't win a general election because only a tiny minority of the population want to live under his brand of socialism. Most sane people know that he would completely wreck UK PLC.



The only people that will vote for him are students, bums, anarchists and life's failures who want other peoples hard earned for nothing. He really is the man of the scrounger. 'Labour', as a word, indicates work. He should change the name of his party. The benefits party would be most appropriate.


So I'm one of life's failures now. Fair enough.

Commiserations! You have failed the trolling test 😜
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't understand, I'm a troll now?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

josefk wrote:
Ian wrote:
thad wrote:
josefk wrote:
Rather than just repeat like a mantra that Corbyn is unelectable can someone point a by-election or mayoral election that Labour has lost since he became elected leader?

I'd take it further than that Josef, I'd actually argue that in the EU referendum he managed to - at the very least - retain his appeal to his natural followers... whereas others.... Alan Johnson, Miliband, Brown, Osbourne, Cameron actually lost support from theirs...!

But I don't think he could win a general election simply because he will be demonised & marginalised - not least by factions within his own party - to too great a degree before any issues of policy are even mentioned.


He wouldn't win a general election because only a tiny minority of the population want to live under his brand of socialism. Most sane people know that he would completely wreck UK PLC.



The only people that will vote for him are students, bums, anarchists and life's failures who want other peoples hard earned for nothing. He really is the man of the scrounger. 'Labour', as a word, indicates work. He should change the name of his party. The benefits party would be most appropriate.


So I'm one of life's failures now. Fair enough.


You'd vote for Corbyn Josef? Shocked Shocked Lets put you down as an anarchist instead or add Public Sector workers to my list... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did vote for him and in 1993 shared a platform with him on a few occasions and in 2003 had some good meals with John McDonnell.

Not an anarchist, though the real meaning does hold some good points.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But isn't it the case that at the moment Politics is going through a phase whereby candidates are judged more by what they aren't, than what they are...?

dontknow

Trump, Cobrbyn possibly even Andrea Leadsom get an advantage by being outsiders from the political establishment, that seems to appeal to the masses who are getting tired of the slick products from central office.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

josefk wrote:
I did vote for him and in 1993 shared a platform with him on a few occasions and in 2003 had some good meals with John McDonnell.

Not an anarchist, though the real meaning does hold some good points.


I voted for him too, but for completely different reasons Laughing and I would of course never vote for him in a normal election.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian wrote:
josefk wrote:
I did vote for him and in 1993 shared a platform with him on a few occasions and in 2003 had some good meals with John McDonnell.

Not an anarchist, though the real meaning does hold some good points.


I voted for him too, but for completely different reasons Laughing and I would of course never vote for him in a normal election.


This is why I have always said that Corbyn was voted in by Conservatives, not Labour supporters.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...get the *beep* out of the way ASAP. Labour will probably know their leader well before the Tories and then they'll have longer to prepare...

Hmmmmnn.. Theresa May will be the next PM as her rival pulls out... so following a referendum on EU membership, where all pundits agree that immigration controls were a pivotal issue in the vote to leave.. the person to lead us out of the EU will be a Remain campaigner who has been Home Secretary for the last half-dozen years...

scratch

...and it all took place before the Eagle had even landed... Angela FINALLY officially announces that she is running against Corbyn... so much for getting the *beep* out of the way ASAP nemo..? how much more blood can the carpet take from this shambles... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...and it all took place before the Eagle had even landed... Angela FINALLY officially announces that she is running against Corbyn... so much for getting the *beep* out of the way ASAP nemo..? how much more blood can the carpet take from this shambles... Wink


So does Corbyn have to be nominated with 20% support?

Or as incumbent does he automatically stand?

Interesting.........
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil T wrote:
thad wrote:
...and it all took place before the Eagle had even landed... Angela FINALLY officially announces that she is running against Corbyn... so much for getting the *beep* out of the way ASAP nemo..? how much more blood can the carpet take from this shambles... Wink


So does Corbyn have to be nominated with 20% support?

Or as incumbent does he automatically stand?

Interesting.........

Interesting... but so very avoidable... the timing has been atrocious... unless that is...

..you are Anthony Charles Lynton Blair and you want the spotlight shone elsewhere. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:
nemo wrote:
...get the *beep* out of the way ASAP. Labour will probably know their leader well before the Tories and then they'll have longer to prepare...

Hmmmmnn.. Theresa May will be the next PM as her rival pulls out... so following a referendum on EU membership, where all pundits agree that immigration controls were a pivotal issue in the vote to leave.. the person to lead us out of the EU will be a Remain campaigner who has been Home Secretary for the last half-dozen years...

scratch

...and it all took place before the Eagle had even landed... Angela FINALLY officially announces that she is running against Corbyn... so much for getting the *beep* out of the way ASAP nemo..? how much more blood can the carpet take from this shambles... Wink

Well our party politics always was farcical - where's the *beep* Lib Dems when they're needed! 😳
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil T wrote:
thad wrote:
...and it all took place before the Eagle had even landed... Angela FINALLY officially announces that she is running against Corbyn... so much for getting the *beep* out of the way ASAP nemo..? how much more blood can the carpet take from this shambles... Wink


So does Corbyn have to be nominated with 20% support?

Or as incumbent does he automatically stand?

Interesting.........


I believe as the current incumbent he automatically gets to stand (which is why he has been refusing to resign because THEN he'll need the 51 nominations).

Which renders the whole exercise completely pointless as the Labour Party has been infiltrated by the hard left (and the Conservatives) and he'll gain another landslide victory.

The Labour party is on course for another split. The hard left and Corbyn on one side with support from the unions, Public sector workers, Momentum, SWP, and a rag tag assortment of anarchists, socialists, and upper middle class students called Tarquin and Cressida.

The moderates will be *most* Labour MP's supported by their traditional working class vote who sort of kind of understand that to spend money you have to earn it. What will they be called? New Labour?

What I don't know the answer to is will there be the need for a couple of hundred by elections due to all the moderate MP's effectively quitting the Labour Party if it splits?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with Labour is that they abandoned and demonised the white working class (The Emily Thornbury/twitter gate was perfect exmaple) Labour only care about trying to appeal to the middle class liberal left, students, ancharcists and do gooders.

If they got back to their routes and listened to the working class rather than calling them racist or little englanders and get working class support they might just stand a fighting chance......but I know lots of people who I speak to at work down the pub etc have no connection or like for Corbyn
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