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backofthenet
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 Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:43 pm Post subject: England v France - 17/11
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I see England fans are being encouraged to sing the French National Anthem
(La Marseillaise) at the above. I hope it happens.
Would you join in if you were there? I would.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Marseillaise |
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Sussex Boy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:20 pm Post subject:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4SJv61i6Bo
I probably wouldn't in to be honest, mainly because I dont know the words.
I dont speak French let alone sing it. But I would happily 'hum' along.
I think its good to that the match is going ahead. I would usually be sick at the sight of the French flag being displayed on Wembley and Tower Bridge but when something like this happens it puts everything into perspective. I think its great we are showing solidarity with France. |
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thad
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject:
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| Sussex Boy wrote: | I probably wouldn't in to be honest, mainly because I dont know the words.
I dont speak French let alone sing it. But I would happily 'hum' along. |
The FA should have the resource & wit to hand out lyric sheets... it is a double-edged sword... as it has less emphasis on Liberty, Egality & Fraternity and is far more a battle-cry for armed revolution against the established government & military...
| Quote: | Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows |
But it is unquestionably all about context.... never better illustrated then in this famous scene from Casablanca... on Tuesday night it will be much more than just a song..! |
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Broadfield Dave
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:57 pm Post subject:
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| Would be a terrific gesture, but I wouldn't back the stereotypical England fan to be able to learn the words in English by Tuesday, let alone in French. |
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mustaphashot
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:29 pm Post subject:
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| I would never ever sing the national anthem of another country under any circumstances. Anyway,I don't remember any solidarity from the French when 7/7 occurred. But of course we could fly the French flag- you know the one- a white cross on a white background. Sorry but I am old and my memory goes back longer than a lot of you. |
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Paulc222
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject:
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| mustaphashot wrote: | | I would never ever sing the national anthem of another country under any circumstances. Anyway,I don't remember any solidarity from the French when 7/7 occurred. But of course we could fly the French flag- you know the one- a white cross on a white background. Sorry but I am old and my memory goes back longer than a lot of you. |
Is that the one with "UK buffer zone" written on it? |
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bridgesboy79
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:20 pm Post subject:
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| mustaphashot wrote: | | I would never ever sing the national anthem of another country under any circumstances. Anyway,I don't remember any solidarity from the French when 7/7 occurred. But of course we could fly the French flag- you know the one- a white cross on a white background. Sorry but I am old and my memory goes back longer than a lot of you. |
I never sing ours either, mostly because it is a terrible tune! We have great musicians in this country and can surely do better than that! |
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Damo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject:
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| mustaphashot wrote: | | Sorry but I am old and my memory goes back longer than a lot of you. |
Yeah - that Napoleon took some liberties didn't he?
I would have thought the FA's primary worry - given the form of England fans - is that the anthem isn't boo'ed. Specially as it's France and unfortunately it appears we still have some around that love to cling on to old stereotypes. |
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Red, Red & Red
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:43 pm Post subject:
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| I think its ruddiculous, ok respect it keep silent but never sing another nations anthem. More to the point why risk playing it with little time assess security etc |
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nemo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:53 pm Post subject:
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thad
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject:
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| Red, Red & Red wrote: | | I think its ruddiculous... |
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Armchairfan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:42 pm Post subject:
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| thad wrote: | | Red, Red & Red wrote: | | I think its ruddiculous... |
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Good moaning.  |
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James
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject:
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| mustaphashot wrote: | | I would never ever sing the national anthem of another country under any circumstances. Anyway,I don't remember any solidarity from the French when 7/7 occurred. |
You're right, of course, though there wasn't a great deal they could actually do.
There is this from Wikipedia:
| Quote: | France France – president Jacques Chirac, describing the attackers as “savages” said that “these attacks have without any doubt reinforced the solidarity between the eight [heads of government]” at The G8 summit,[63] adding that the attacks would also strengthen the fight against terrorism.
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin called the attack "a tragedy for Great Britain" and "a tragedy for Europe as a whole which had already been hit in Madrid in March 2004." In a letter to Prime Minister Tony Blair, De Villepin also offered "immediate, full and total collaboration of French services in helping you identify the authors of these crimes". |
Let's be honest, the 'traditional' relationship with France is that they come under threat and fold, we bail them out, then they quickly forget we've bailed them out, just like they quickly forget they came under threat (e.g. their reaction to the January attack and lack of 'intelligence' leading up to this tragedy). |
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mustaphashot
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:12 pm Post subject:
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Damo-Stereotypes? You mean like calling a nation Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys!
James- Full and total colaboration of French Services? Now where have i heard that one before? Heres a clue:
What did the mayor of Paris say to the German army as they entered the city in World War II? Table for 100,000, monsieur?'
Just one more stereotype because this is a football forum:
Why did the French celebrate their World Cup in 1998 so wildly?
It was the first time they won anything without outside help.
But of course- some will argue that the French Foreign Legion is one of the bravest fighting forces in the world. True, but you do know why- It is composed entirely of foreigners! |
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thad
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:01 pm Post subject:
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| mustaphashot wrote: | Why did the French celebrate their World Cup in 1998 so wildly?
It was the first time they won anything without outside help. |
Hmmnn... wasn't that team famously christened "Les Mon grels" ..?  |
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