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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:21 pm    Post subject: Get behind the Team!!! Reply with quote

Article from Dumford in the Crawley News Online Today :-

http://www.crawleynews.co.uk/R.....story.html

Clearly they can't really afford to be banning long-time supporters then can they?!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give the people something to watch and they will come.

The noisey, atmospheric end of the ground hasn't seen a Crawley goal this season. In fact I don't think we've seen an on target shot from our strikers.

We are in the entertainment business but we ain't entertaining and then he wonders why the crowds are falling.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Baker wrote:
Give the people something to watch and they will come.

The noisey, atmospheric end of the ground hasn't seen a Crawley goal this season. In fact I don't think we've seen an on target shot from our strikers.

We are in the entertainment business but we ain't entertaining and then he wonders why the crowds are falling.

Jim Baker


To be fair to Dunford, he does understand why the crowds are falling, he said as much at the recent forum.

Let's face it, unless we start to improve on the pitch, new people won't come and stay away fans will continue to stay away.

It's sad but true.

I think that's about as simple as it can be made.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maidenbower Millionaire wrote:
Jim Baker wrote:
Give the people something to watch and they will come.

The noisey, atmospheric end of the ground hasn't seen a Crawley goal this season. In fact I don't think we've seen an on target shot from our strikers.

We are in the entertainment business but we ain't entertaining and then he wonders why the crowds are falling.

Jim Baker


To be fair to Dunford, he does understand why the crowds are falling, he said as much at the recent forum.

Let's face it, unless we start to improve on the pitch, new people won't come and stay away fans will continue to stay away.

It's sad but true.

I think that's about as simple as it can be made.


True Fans support their team regardless, stay away fans are not true Fans!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only get behind the team if I'm there.
I feel that I can only be there if those ridiculous bans are lifted on the three.
I doubt that the three bans have reduce the attendance very much. Several on here have voiced their intention not to go because of it. Perhaps there are a few who feel the same but haven't voiced it.
When gate money and other consumption is taken into account, it might even be as much as 300 every other game that the club are losing out on, though there's no reliable way of estimating it.
I'll get behind the team again when the board gets behind its supporters. Until then, keep sticking the cheeseboards in darkened cavities.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrism wrote:
True Fans support their team regardless, stay away fans are not true Fans!!


No wonder the club doesn't make much money with all those 'fake' fans at games!

Seriously though, it's that attitude that needs to be wiped out at the club. We have such a small fan base and are in such need of increased attendances, that we can't have such an attitude towards new fans or those who don't attend regularly.
Of course in an ideal world we'd get attendances around the 3,000 mark no matter what division we played in or how well the team was playing. But the reality is some fans drop off the lower in the tier we are and the worse we play. That's their right as paying consumers!

Rather than having divisions amongst the fans and calling some people 'fake' fans and making them feel unwelcome, we should be creating a welcoming atmosphere at the club, so that those who do come along might just stick around when the team isn't doing so well.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

London_Red wrote:
chrism wrote:
True Fans support their team regardless, stay away fans are not true Fans!!


No wonder the club doesn't make much money with all those 'fake' fans at games!

Seriously though, it's that attitude that needs to be wiped out at the club. We have such a small fan base and are in such need of increased attendances, that we can't have such an attitude towards new fans or those who don't attend regularly.
Of course in an ideal world we'd get attendances around the 3,000 mark no matter what division we played in or how well the team was playing. But the reality is some fans drop off the lower in the tier we are and the worse we play. That's their right as paying consumers!

Rather than having divisions amongst the fans and calling some people 'fake' fans and making them feel unwelcome, we should be creating a welcoming atmosphere at the club, so that those who do come along might just stick around when the team isn't doing so well.

Agreed.The club really should make all fans welcome.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armchairfan wrote:
London_Red wrote:
chrism wrote:
True Fans support their team regardless, stay away fans are not true Fans!!


No wonder the club doesn't make much money with all those 'fake' fans at games!

Seriously though, it's that attitude that needs to be wiped out at the club. We have such a small fan base and are in such need of increased attendances, that we can't have such an attitude towards new fans or those who don't attend regularly.
Of course in an ideal world we'd get attendances around the 3,000 mark no matter what division we played in or how well the team was playing. But the reality is some fans drop off the lower in the tier we are and the worse we play. That's their right as paying consumers!

Rather than having divisions amongst the fans and calling some people 'fake' fans and making them feel unwelcome, we should be creating a welcoming atmosphere at the club, so that those who do come along might just stick around when the team isn't doing so well.

Agreed.The club really should make all fans welcome.


Never have understood the angst that people have against newer fans at Crawley. A tiny club really can't pick and choose where it gets its footfall from and it is hard to start off anywhere if you need to have a 20 year pedigree of supporting the team first.

People have the right to attend or not attend any sporting event, any music concert etc. CTFC is just a business (or a rich mans toy nowadays) supplying a game of football to a few people, get over it. Not enough people come, the club ceases to exist, survival of the fittest so they tell me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hear, hear Joseph.

I've been around for a while but I once was a jcl.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrism wrote:
Maidenbower Millionaire wrote:
Jim Baker wrote:
Give the people something to watch and they will come.

The noisey, atmospheric end of the ground hasn't seen a Crawley goal this season. In fact I don't think we've seen an on target shot from our strikers.

We are in the entertainment business but we ain't entertaining and then he wonders why the crowds are falling.

Jim Baker


To be fair to Dunford, he does understand why the crowds are falling, he said as much at the recent forum.

Let's face it, unless we start to improve on the pitch, new people won't come and stay away fans will continue to stay away.

It's sad but true.

I think that's about as simple as it can be made.


True Fans support their team regardless, stay away fans are not true Fans!!


Personally I think that's oversimplifying it.

There is a hard core support, I would say 1,200/1,300 who will go regardless. That includes ST holders.

Then there is floating support more linked to our fortunes. As Jim said no goals in 4 games (and few shots either) won't do much to drag them in.

If we continue at the Broadfield as we have done then 2,200 average might prove a challenge.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

London_Red wrote:
Rather than having divisions amongst the fans and calling some people 'fake' fans and making them feel unwelcome,


Do you really believe that those who come occasionally to games bother to sign onto this forum (that they have probably never heard of) and then take insult?

The crux of the matter is that if we played good football, and were advertised as such, we may increase fanbase.

If Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, West Ham, Palace, Brighton and Millwall were to cease trading we would see an increase in support.

Get real.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil T wrote:
London_Red wrote:
Rather than having divisions amongst the fans and calling some people 'fake' fans and making them feel unwelcome,


Do you really believe that those who come occasionally to games bother to sign onto this forum (that they have probably never heard of) and then take insult?

The crux of the matter is that if we played good football, and were advertised as such, we may increase fanbase.

If Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, West Ham, Palace, Brighton and Millwall were to cease trading we would see an increase in support.

Get real.

We would most certainly need that new stadium.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armchairfan wrote:
London_Red wrote:
chrism wrote:
True Fans support their team regardless, stay away fans are not true Fans!!


No wonder the club doesn't make much money with all those 'fake' fans at games!

Seriously though, it's that attitude that needs to be wiped out at the club. We have such a small fan base and are in such need of increased attendances, that we can't have such an attitude towards new fans or those who don't attend regularly.
Of course in an ideal world we'd get attendances around the 3,000 mark no matter what division we played in or how well the team was playing. But the reality is some fans drop off the lower in the tier we are and the worse we play. That's their right as paying consumers!

Rather than having divisions amongst the fans and calling some people 'fake' fans and making them feel unwelcome, we should be creating a welcoming atmosphere at the club, so that those who do come along might just stick around when the team isn't doing so well.

Agreed.The club really should make all fans welcome.


It does in fairness.

I only get to the odd game now and then, it's not my club but i've done so since I lived in Crawley back in the Town Mead days. Despite clearly presenting myself as a JCL the club staff couldn't be friendlier, no noses turned up in the stands because i'm a stranger.

What they can do to attract more fans?, if you find that formula let me know, we have the same problem (relatively), even without a host of bigger clubs on our doorstep.

Welcoming though?, that's not the problem. Take it from a neutral(ish) CTFC provides a welcoming environment.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

X Isle wrote:
What they can do to attract more fans?, if you find that formula let me know, we have the same problem (relatively), even without a host of bigger clubs on our doorstep.

Plymouth have to compete with a regional rugby tradition though.

A genuine question: Have Plymouth got a clubhouse and does it provide a decent non-matchday income stream? the secret of how to make that part of the equation work has eluded us since Town Mead.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:
X Isle wrote:
What they can do to attract more fans?, if you find that formula let me know, we have the same problem (relatively), even without a host of bigger clubs on our doorstep.

Plymouth have to compete with a regional rugby tradition though.

A genuine question: Have Plymouth got a clubhouse and does it provide a decent non-matchday income stream? the secret of how to make that part of the equation work has eluded us since Town Mead.


Rugby plays a part but it's more of a Cornish thing.

We closed down our 'in house' pu/club/bar as the grandstand was to be knocked down and rebuilt with all manner of non matchday commercial things inside.That's now been kicked into the long grass so we've just got the temporary marquee ventures, fanfest tent and tribute lounge.
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