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Sulton111
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElTel wrote:
Harrold coaching strikers on goal scoring,what is his goal ratio?Some on this forum seem forever keen to have ex players back but I'm not convinced that the returnee's this season Connelly,Yorwerth and Murphy have been much of a success.


love that about Harrold would be like Patrick Viera teaching on field discipline
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sulton111 wrote:
ElTel wrote:
Harrold coaching strikers on goal scoring,what is his goal ratio?Some on this forum seem forever keen to have ex players back but I'm not convinced that the returnee's this season Connelly,Yorwerth and Murphy have been much of a success.


love that about Harrold would be like Patrick Viera teaching on field discipline


This is a great idea.

We can get Maggs or Evans back to be treasurer
Keith Sharmen discipline specialist
Craig Whittington on herbal supplements
Cliff Cant or Peter Garland as fitness coaches
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthgateRed wrote:
Simon wrote:
NorthgateRed wrote:
Crawley69 wrote:
I know we can all cast our minds back to Bully charging round the broad field he is fit but I watched Wimbledon twice last season and its not the Buleman we remember.


No issue with him joining the club but its not realistic as a player he will be 39 in Jan.

Don't talk rubbish. He's just played a season in L1, but you don't think he's good enough for a team barely avoiding relegation in L2? Rolling Eyes


I must say I am not convinced either. I would be looking for someone younger that we might be able to build around for the next 2/3 years.

He may have just played a L1 season, however presumably AFC think he won't manage another which is why he has been let go. Plus it's not just 'good enough', it's also fit enough, and the pace of L2 isn't much different to L1.

As player/coach, that is a different thing, but someone at CTFC told me Saturday that wasn't on the agenda. It must have been looked into as I was also told Bully doesn't have any coaching badges.

I know Bully was a good player for us but I would be quite alarmed if we thought someone 39 in January was really the right way forward.

Is Jamie Cureton still available?

I've been talking - it's all hypothetical of course - about how I think he would be great for us as a player coach. He knows the club, the fans love him, and although at 39 fitness might become an issue he is still a better midfielder than those we have at the moment. We'd get games out of him, the midfielders would learn from him - it's not the future but it is something that could work in the short term.

Morris started this season as goalkeeping coach, and 3rd choice, and ended it as our player of the season. There's no harm getting some experienced guys in as player coaches. We could take up the option on Harrold, have him as striker coach (apart from Collins, how many of our other players actually shoot when they get the chance, as opposed to looking to pass?) and he could be an option off the bench if/when he's fit.

These are all players in their 30s that know the game, and the demands of L2, and are all popular with the fans. For next season it could work. As stated, Bulman might not want to come back here so it's speculation there.


Indeed it's all about opinions.

I would have thought that on paper a midfield squad of Roberts, Smith, Djalo, Cox and Enzio would have more than held its own in this league. However football isn't played on paper and it hasn't worked out that way. Poor coaching? Poor motivation? Just not good enough?

Would Dannie strengthen the team ? Could he coach them to better results?

Interesting debate really.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon wrote:
I would have thought that on paper a midfield squad of Roberts, Smith, Djalo, Cox and Enzio would have more than held its own in this league. However football isn't played on paper and it hasn't worked out that way. Poor coaching? Poor motivation? Just not good enough?


Interesting how that exact midfield gave us a good spectacle - and a point - against Mansfield.

After DD had gone.......
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil T wrote:
Simon wrote:
I would have thought that on paper a midfield squad of Roberts, Smith, Djalo, Cox and Enzio would have more than held its own in this league. However football isn't played on paper and it hasn't worked out that way. Poor coaching? Poor motivation? Just not good enough?


Interesting how that exact midfield gave us a good spectacle - and a point - against Mansfield.

After DD had gone.......

Presumably Harrold was far better at motivating the players than DD was. dontknow
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthgateRed wrote:
Phil T wrote:
Interesting how that exact midfield gave us a good spectacle - and a point - against Mansfield.

After DD had gone.......

Presumably Harrold was far better at motivating the players than DD was. dontknow

Well yes... but there is always two parts to the equation... cos you can only ever motivate those who are receptive to motivation...

scratch

...for a lot of last season Jose could not motivate Eden Hazard... yet this season neither appear to be lacking in that department...(?)
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthgateRed wrote:
Phil T wrote:
Simon wrote:
I would have thought that on paper a midfield squad of Roberts, Smith, Djalo, Cox and Enzio would have more than held its own in this league. However football isn't played on paper and it hasn't worked out that way. Poor coaching? Poor motivation? Just not good enough?


Interesting how that exact midfield gave us a good spectacle - and a point - against Mansfield.

After DD had gone.......

Presumably Harrold was far better at motivating the players than DD was. dontknow


I thought that MH team did away with trying to pass the ball out from the back, and were more direct. MH spent the time trying to urge the players forwards. The result was more high balls and less fannying around at the back.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:
NorthgateRed wrote:
Phil T wrote:
Interesting how that exact midfield gave us a good spectacle - and a point - against Mansfield.

After DD had gone.......

Presumably Harrold was far better at motivating the players than DD was. dontknow

Well yes... but there is always two parts to the equation... cos you can only ever motivate those who are receptive to motivation...


They seemed quite receptive to it in the Mansfield game......
A shame Harrold hasn't got a bit longer to work with them.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt Harold now 4/5 to be next manager with bet victor, somebody knows something.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrism wrote:
Matt Harold now 4/5 to be next manager with bet victor, somebody knows something.


Well, he has got 100% unbeaten record in management Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrism wrote:
Matt Harold now 4/5 to be next manager with bet victor, somebody knows something.


Huge,huge risk if Harrold gets the gig.I would be staggered if he is appointed.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maidenbower Millionaire wrote:
chrism wrote:
Matt Harold now 4/5 to be next manager with bet victor, somebody knows something.


Well, he has got 100% unbeaten record in management Wink

His win rate is 0% Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be a huge mistake. Can't base a decision on half d a game of football. Hoping Eren has better judgement.

If he appoint Harold very likely he will find his club in the conference in 2018.
But for circumstances Matt wasn't considering mgt as his next step. Zero experience he got through on adrenalin and frankly seemed overwhelmed by the experience afterwards.

I like Harold but this would be the wrong decision for the wrong reasons.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crawley69 wrote:
It would be a huge mistake. Can't base a decision on had a game of football. Hoping Seen has better judgement.


Did you help Corbyn write the Labour manifesto by any chance?

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of Harrold staying at the club either as a first team coach, assistant manager or U23 coach.

I am however, more than a little concerned about a total novice taking the manager's job. An experienced coach, albeit at development level has just failed in the role.

As much as I'd love to be proven wrong if this does happen, I really can't see a total novice being a success.

We took a punt on an unknown last season and I feel someone with at least some experience and ideally with at least some historical success is what's required.


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