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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:21 pm    Post subject: Spot on message for the Left..... Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

This bloke comes across pretty good I think....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He HAS actually been saying it for a year too. I was not surprised either, I've met too many ordinary Americans who do not trust their own government & want to shake it up. although "Left & Right" doesn't work with Americans... "Liberal" & "Populist" are better tags and applies to their media too.

He missed one major point though.... Trump cruised through the nomination process getting stronger at each stage, whereas Clinton was seriously damaged by Sanders because he showed how shallow, robotic & devoid of substance she was. Her sense of entitlement alienated a lot of people.

Sanders would have presented a viable alternative which had a much broader appeal to voters, it would have nullified Trumps "outsider" claim for starters and highlight his privileged status, which she could never do.

Clinton & the Democrats got what they deserved. She has invested years in building up influential support and a cohort of the party elite... it gets you nominated, but won't translate into votes without an inspirational candidate (compare & contrast with the very popular Michelle Obama)...

...like it or not, Trump inspired people... in fact, Trump is not even a natural Republican and was completely dismissive of his parties elite... and hey-ho it worked well for him... "free market" is a sacred-cow to them, not protectionism, public-spending on infrastructure or building walls... although they may yet have the last laugh when he tries to get his policies through both houses.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This bloke is obviously left wing. The best message from video (as he even admits) is that the left have lost the art and won't debate. They just sling insults and claim offence.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
This bloke is obviously left wing. The best message from video (as he even admits) is that the left have lost the art and won't debate. They just sling insults and claim offence.

His main target appears to be the media... and particularly the liberal wing of it.. Trump targeted it in his campaign too.. it helped to get him elected...

...because every time Trump was parodied, it was if those sharp-suited college boys & gals in cities on the coasts were mocking ordinary hard-working, god-fearing, gun-toting family people in the heartland.

I'm not into righteous indignation just cos you don't agree with the outcome... be that Newsnight on the shock of President Trump or the Daily Mail personally abusing judges who found in favour of UK parliamentary sovereignty.

The only prominent genuine Left-winger around at the moment is Corbyn... seriously, does anyone suggest that the media have been kind to him...? although, back in the day, the Daily Mail were very supportive of that veggie, art student that the Germans had chosen.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:

...like it or not, Trump inspired people....


Not many though. About a quarter of the electorate.
100m people didn't vote! Shocked If 0.3% of those had turned out and voted Democrat it may have turned out differently.
It does seem strange to me that the person with the most votes lost.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

backofthenet wrote:
thad wrote:

...like it or not, Trump inspired people....

Not many though. About a quarter of the electorate.
100m people didn't vote! Shocked If 0.3% of those had turned out and voted Democrat it may have turned out differently.
It does seem strange to me that the person with the most votes lost.

By degrees, there were three inspiring people in the campaign... Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders & Donald Trump... unfortunately only one was a nominated candidate for the presidency.

Hillary was beaten in 2008 - against all the odds - for the Democratic nomination by Obama, because he offered something more than just being a hard-nosed politician, which is ALL she is, people - beyond the metropolitan districts - just don't like her.

Arguably for a lot of wrong reasons, Trump was effective enough in inspiring voters where it mattered, because the electoral college system is a strange beast.

In 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote nationally, but lost the election by a few hundred votes in Florida. Obama squeaked in there last time by less than 1%. This time there were lots of smartass ivy-league political experts who tried to manipulate those geographic distortions for strategic gains and got it spectacularly wrong.

The Democrats tried to mobilise ethnic & minority votes but ignored core voter concerns. The classic example being Wisconsin which they took completely for granted and Hillary did not even bother to campaign there... winning Wisconsin took Trump past the magic number required for a majority.

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Incidentally - to bring us back to where we came in - George W Bush & Ronald Reagan were also portrayed as bumbling caricatures by a media who failed to take them seriously... both got 2nd terms...!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sussex Boy wrote:
This bloke is obviously left wing. The best message from video (as he even admits) is that the left have lost the art and won't debate. They just sling insults and claim offence.


RACIST HOMOPHOBE!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A significant proportion of the electorate who rejected Hillary and voted for Trump this time, were the very same people that also voted for Obama in the last two elections... they have valid grounds for resenting being labelled as racist.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thad wrote:
A significant proportion of the electorate who rejected Hillary and voted for Trump this time, were the very same people that also voted for Obama in the last two elections... they have valid grounds for resenting being labelled as racist.


Yup well said thad.......a lot people on the left fail to grasp this
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Hillary is throwing blame at the FBI Chief... well the timing of the last investigation definitely did no harm to Trump...

..but c'mon, she needs to take responsibility for her carelessness, she is surrounded by advisers and insiders... which one of them thought using her private email server for government business was a good idea in the first place... it just endorses a view that she is part of a political elite that believe they are untouchable and normal rules don't apply to them..? All that baggage, she should never have been the Democrat candidate.

Blimey, she couldn't even land a punch on Trump over his sexism & misogynist attitudes (which the alt-right lapped up for its anti political-correctness subtext)... mainly cos her old boy "did not have sex with that women"... but definitely indulged in a lot of other fun things with her while in public office. I'm surprised that no-one has said to Hillary, "close but no cigar" or asked her if Bill tried to cheer her up by "splashing out on a new dress" Surprised

However Trump's attack on his female accusers could yet lead to impeachment, he called them all liars and said he'd take them to court... he will try and wriggle out of it... but everyone knows what he said and what he denied...!
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